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Hello? Hi, sorry.
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I was just on the other line.
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Sorry.
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How are you? I'm alright.
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I spoke to you.
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Sorry?
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I spoke to your assistant today.
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Oh, okay, yes, very good.
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He told me to call you.
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Huh?
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He told me to call you. Yeah, is he alright?
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He's alright, yeah.
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He said you tried to reach me and he said
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you were going back, but
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he hasn't got
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a call today already.
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He never gets a call.
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Alright.
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He can do a lot, you know.
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He can do a lot.
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Yeah, he can do a lot of things.
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He can talk to me about a lot of things.
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He can ask me about my calendar,
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what things I need to do.
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He knows if I'm expecting a call.
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And he can phone people for me
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if I want to order
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lunch.
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He phones the pizzeria.
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places the order and then he does give me a message it'll be ready in 10 minutes you can
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pick it up or the delivery or whatever and the price everything you go to show me yeah
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yeah have you got any friend to work for me you can do yeah if you want i can definitely set that
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up yeah all right thanks yeah you can speak every language next time try talking to him in turkish
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or farsi or something yeah you can do it as well good for me yeah he said when i get to a person
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he's continuously in his mind yes it is yeah yeah and i said there's a he said okay then yeah he
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said are you coming to tlc i said i may do yeah muhammad is not answering my telephone right
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i think he may be
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yeah
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a bit more like retired you know
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I don't know. I've got an appointment tomorrow at 11 o'clock in Leeds.
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I spoke to Manon.
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I just said, while I was talking, I said, have you spoken to Tomo?
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He said, no, what's happening there?
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Tomo is a nice lad, you know what I mean? Nice kid.
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I made an appointment with him tomorrow to talk to him.
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And he said, what's happening with the chiefs?
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They're not answering even the telephone.
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I don't know about that. I'm not in the office.
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But yeah, we have to pay him for the last week's chief as soon as possible.
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I'll try to do that before you go there.
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Yeah, we'll do that before I go.
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I'm going to go to TLC, just see what Tom says.
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Find out.
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You know, I might have to say, I don't think this is fair.
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Well, see first after you had the appointment with Manu.
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You know, do that first.
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Yeah, I don't think he's spoken to Manu.
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No, he hasn't, but he spoke to Navid.
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Muhammad, yes.
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No, Navid in Delacorte.
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Yeah.
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Because Manu looks very old, and Navid does all the thinking and decisions.
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It's like...
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Manu's in Delacorte, he's in class.
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He's broke his ribs.
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His leg.
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A leg? Oh my God.
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How?
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I don't know.
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I don't know, I didn't ask him.
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Okay.
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Yeah, that was it.
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So I'm going to go to TLC.
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see what he said yeah because you have to sort this out before the meeting yeah of course yeah
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you know not of course you know yeah he just talks too much i know i know
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some of it is his style you know you're right but some of it is just the style
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he does that then for one hour he talks about concrete then for one hour he talks about pizza
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boxes and then for one hour again the sauce comes back but it's too many ideas and no but
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this one what he is doing he obviously that he got support from his wife and his plan yeah yeah
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but that's not that for for him it's only one of the things in the plan yes you're right you're
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right but he's not uh only about pizza sauce maybe he's bringing that up with you because
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he sees you as the pastor
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the guy is silvery
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He's also doing that with the boxes.
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People come to show pizza boxes and he's talking,
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can you make it like this?
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Can you make it like that?
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He's got other, clearly he's got other ideas.
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He's just always got too many different directions of looking.
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That's your intention and everything.
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Yes, yes.
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And I don't think it's entirely bad intention, entirely.
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But if he sees opportunity for himself,
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anybody else's expense, he will take it.
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Like, yeah, he wants to kick us out of that,
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kick us out of the pizza night shows.
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Yes, he does, yeah.
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He wants to own it.
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He said to open a company.
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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He said that as well to me and Sarah,
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the idea being that the money comes from the other cash and carries
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and they'll be partners with it.
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But yeah, he wants to put his name in it,
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which doesn't make any sense.
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It's completely unfair.
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Yeah, but not your name, not TRC name.
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No.
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Well, one of them, yes, exactly.
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Exactly.
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Yeah.
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He's got that intention, yes.
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Yeah, he's got that intention.
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That's an evil intention.
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That's below the belt.
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It is.
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It's horrible.
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It is.
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I hate that.
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I know.
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I know.
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Okay.
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I know.
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Yeah.
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One question that I want to ask you.
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A while ago, before he takes his money back.
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Yeah.
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He said to me, you were taking wages from there, and he didn't know, and you hadn't
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told him.
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No, he knew, because he had the bank account.
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He had the bank account, and he and I were both getting the same thing.
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The same thing.
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We had clash about, from the beginning, or from early on, he once talked to his Pakistani
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accountant in Abu Dhabi Road, and he said the payroll should be with the accountant.
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Sorry, I didn't understand.
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What about Abu Dhabi Road?
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He has a Pakistani accountant.
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And the accountant on Abbeydale Road did his VAT, did his wages, everything.
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He didn't understand how even exactly how does VAT work, how does wages work.
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He just relies on the accountant.
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And he said, oh, I want to get him to do it.
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And the accountant wants to charge £100 a month for payroll, things that's not necessary.
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And he started to, I don't know, suspicious, I think it was from his wife,
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you know, explaining to me and Sarah, well, no, there's no need to have the accountant do that.
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And then only then they're working out, okay, everything is clear, exposed,
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but he doesn't understand it because he never did it.
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And taking all the papers to the accountant with me, a couple of times,
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one time for a couple of hours with his accountant,
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his accountant looked through it all about the VAT and about the payroll,
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and he said, no, that's all correct, that's fine.
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There's nothing wrong, you can do it yourself because...
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Even the accountant didn't want to do it because it's weekly or monthly.
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And he always felt like everything has to go to his accountant.
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My point is, my question is, you were taking £600, he said, wages.
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And he was taking £400 at his request.
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He said, leave it like that.
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We weren't calling it wages, we were calling it as repayment from the investments that we'd made.
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And when I was doing that, my investment was much more than his.
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How much did you put in this house?
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When did he take all the money?
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I don't know, last summer, last autumn?
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No, no, finished in January.
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Finished in January.
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Started in autumn, finished in January.
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And he always...
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It was made obvious what is going on.
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It's because he put in from the beginning about $50,000 to $70,000.
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$50,000, $70,000, but then he didn't pay for the shopping from his shop.
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It was much more than the money that I was taking.
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His shopping was much more.
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And I struggled to put money.
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I put $30,000, $40,000, $50,000.
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Within about four months, I'd overtaken him a lot by how much I put in.
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A lot.
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And he saw this shop, and then he starts telling me,
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I want to buy, we want to buy this one.
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I want to buy a container of this, a container of that.
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Good ideas, but it needs a lot more money.
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And he says to me, can't you borrow against your house?
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Can you ask your family to give you more money?
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Expecting me to put in more.
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And he says, because I'm doing other business as well,
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I'm trying to have some other shop and things like that.
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And I said, no, I cannot invest the money.
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And he said, no, I cannot.
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He wants me to raise money from family and from my house,
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and then he wants to have half the benefit of it.
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So we separated it, paid him over three months,
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and he's just since then an employee.
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But his job's supposed to be all commercial things,
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the customers, suppliers, all those people who come in
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and want to talk for ages and things like that.
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He doesn't do any of that.
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Just always, I want to get a few pallets of this and a few pallets of that,
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but you're not buying it, and I can't because I spend all the money.
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And when he was getting his repayment,
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from when we agreed, he was not crazy, very, very,
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oh, when am I going to have that?
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When am I going to have this?
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When am I going to have that?
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He could see that the business needs cash to keep,
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and he'd be like,
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rolling over but we wanted it as fast as possible we agreed over 500 pounds a week and so on and uh
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he said he's doubtful if he can get it because the company's cash flow is not amazing never could be
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amazing at that point and he goes to the customers who he's befriended everybody talking to everybody
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finding out everybody's business how they're making money what they're doing and he says to
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them don't pay your bill to tlc pay to me so he could ensure he got his money even in the morning
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we should have that money the customers are not paying we should have the money in the company
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and he can get paid at the end of the day you can make pay our bills but no because he's diverting
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the money to himself you know and after that i revoked his power to make payments and everything
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from the bank still ostensibly his position now is supposed to be like salesman and he's
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his situation is
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He says, well, I cannot do anything because you don't want to buy lots of stuff.
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You don't have the stock to sell.
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Exactly.
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But there was a point where there was £200,000 equity there.
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But he wanted it back.
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And he still wants to earn himself something here and there.
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And he drops back everything, doesn't he?
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More than everything, yeah.
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Plus what would be his salary.
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Yeah, he's done very well already.
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More than very well.
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So he's not hard done by.
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Yeah, he's got nothing to...
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Of course he will complain, but he's got nothing to actually concrete to mourn about.
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Because he's done very well.
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So if he complains, what you said to me, you know,
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we can tell him and say we call it a day.
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Thank you.
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Yeah, yeah.
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I think sooner or later.
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I mean, this is my intention, but let's deal with the source first in a careful way.
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We have a big problem with the source.
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The source is one container in three months short term.
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Yeah.
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Number one.
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Two, he's coming to that meeting.
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Yeah.
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In that meeting, we should look united.
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Absolutely.
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Yeah.
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So I don't want to say anything to him before that meeting.
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No, that's what I'm saying.
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Don't do that yet.
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But we need to shore up the position and understand the alliances that exist with the other cash and carries,
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because he's the one who has been doing all the talking to them.
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Yeah, it's only Mohammed.
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Yeah, but my point is, it's not Mohammed.
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I'm not even sure how much Mohammed is involved, because it's not Mohammed, it's his son.
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Probably his son.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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He can't reach Muhammad himself.
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That's why I'm seeing Akbar
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to tell me about Muhammad's business.
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And if he's not answering me,
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I'll make Akbar to call him.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Because Muhammad is very retired.
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Manoah, no.
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I think that Muhammad is very much
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retired from worrying about all that kind of thing.
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Because if you can't reach him,
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and Damoun definitely is not speaking to Muhammad.
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When I spoke, when I went there,
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he was telling me what to do,
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and he said, okay.
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Maybe, yeah.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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But I don't think that Damoun
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has spoken to Muhammad either.
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So if you can get direct to Muhammad,
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that's the best way.
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Yeah.
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I'm seeing Manoah so that he can phone
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in front of me to Muhammad.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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Good for him.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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and we'll see how that goes.
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Are you going home today?
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Yeah, of course, but not yet.
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I'm not there.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, she's all evening, yeah.
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Yeah, I'll come round.
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I'll come round.
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Okay, then, okay, thank you.
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I'm going to ask you to see him.
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Yeah, yeah.
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And I'll just listen to him, that's all.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, good, yeah.
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If you can record it, it's even better,
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but it's not easy to do it.
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Uh, because we'd better analyse it afterwards, you know.
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Yes.
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Never mind, anyway, yeah.
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Okay, then, I don't know how to record it, to be honest.
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No, I'll sort that with you later, we'll do something, yeah.
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Okay, for future, okay, bye-bye.