And at that moment, it's a very rare place to do the design for the people, especially in Taiwan.

I went back and I walked in for something relating to design, but

Because Taiwan is huge for manufacturing, right?

Mhm.

But something happened?

That's always sad, because I know there's a children's emergency department, But if two police cars there, maybe something happened to a child, that's, I don't like it.

So you didn't so you did work in the product design, but then you came back here and you don't work in productive.

I come back to do the furthest.

Study.

Because I went back to Taiwan in 2004 when I finished the first degree.

for the master.

And I work here a few years.

And then I'm back to the university to teaching.

And because of the teaching, I need a higher labor degree, so I come back to