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Status: completed · Language: en · Source: Office Audio · Captured: 2026-09-04 13:13:58 · Sorry, I won't get carried by about you, just don't know. Yeah, because H has more to say. Just hang on a minute, right?
Sorry, I won't get carried by about you, just don't know.
2026-09-04 13:13:58 - 2026-09-04 13:14:00Yeah, because H has more to say.
2026-09-04 13:14:00 - 2026-09-04 13:14:01Just hang on a minute, right?
2026-09-04 13:14:01 - 2026-09-04 13:14:02Let's just let's just talk about parrots of sex, right?
2026-09-04 13:14:02 - 2026-09-04 13:14:05We're just letting it pass.
2026-09-04 13:14:06 - 2026-09-04 13:14:07We're just letting it happen.
2026-09-04 13:14:08 - 2026-09-04 13:14:09And we're not even deeper.
2026-09-04 13:14:09 - 2026-09-04 13:14:10You know when you've got a dog in that, you always think, oh, I wish you could talk to me.
2026-09-04 13:14:10 - 2026-09-04 13:14:14Hang on a minute.
2026-09-04 13:14:14 - 2026-09-04 13:14:16Get a parrot?
2026-09-04 13:14:17 - 2026-09-04 13:14:17Like, what do you need?
2026-09-04 13:14:19 - 2026-09-04 13:14:21Parrots talk?
2026-09-04 13:14:23 - 2026-09-04 13:14:24Right.
2026-09-04 13:14:24 - 2026-09-04 13:14:24I'm going to stop H there, I think.
2026-09-04 13:14:24 - 2026-09-04 13:14:26Any parrot lovers in the house?
2026-09-04 13:14:26 - 2026-09-04 13:14:28I think we should get a parrot to talk to, H.
2026-09-04 13:14:28 - 2026-09-04 13:14:31Don't you think that'll blow his massive head?
2026-09-04 13:14:32 - 2026-09-04 13:14:35Yes.
2026-09-04 13:14:35 - 2026-09-04 13:14:35Oh my gosh.
2026-09-04 13:14:35 - 2026-09-04 13:14:36I just, I love a parrot too.
2026-09-04 13:14:36 - 2026-09-04 13:14:38I totally relate to this.
2026-09-04 13:14:38 - 2026-09-04 13:14:39It is crazy that parrots are the only animal that we just
2026-09-04 13:14:39 - 2026-09-04 13:14:41Accept that can just talk.
2026-09-04 13:14:41 - 2026-09-04 13:14:42Technically they are just repeating what they hear after you, but it's incredible that they can do that.
2026-09-04 13:14:43 - 2026-09-04 13:14:47I think they're I think they're very clever.
2026-09-04 13:14:48 - 2026-09-04 13:14:49birds.
2026-09-04 13:14:49 - 2026-09-04 13:14:50Yeah, they are.
2026-09-04 13:14:50 - 2026-09-04 13:14:50You can ring,
2026-09-04 13:15:02 - 2026-09-04 13:15:02Mother.
2026-09-04 13:15:04 - 2026-09-04 13:15:04Ring, mother.
2026-09-04 13:15:06 - 2026-09-04 13:15:08You can ring.
2026-09-04 13:15:10 - 2026-09-04 13:15:11She likes to pick and choose.
2026-09-04 13:15:12 - 2026-09-04 13:15:13New purses, different shoes.
2026-09-04 13:15:13 - 2026-09-04 13:15:15New purchase, different dude.
2026-09-04 13:15:15 - 2026-09-04 13:15:16Who's next in a kissing boom.
2026-09-04 13:15:17 - 2026-09-04 13:15:18She a lot, fit and rude.
2026-09-04 13:15:18 - 2026-09-04 13:15:20Got a box, stick and move.
2026-09-04 13:15:20 - 2026-09-04 13:15:22I like to play Radio Two, please.
2026-09-04 13:15:22 - 2026-09-04 13:15:24Playing BBC Radio two.
2026-09-04 13:15:26 - 2026-09-04 13:15:28Yes, but they're not.
2026-09-04 13:15:29 - 2026-09-04 13:15:30So we're not going to use water resources.
2026-09-04 13:15:31 - 2026-09-04 13:15:33That's simply not true.
2026-09-04 13:15:33 - 2026-09-04 13:15:34We're harvesting rainwater, the modern designs of data centers.
2026-09-04 13:15:35 - 2026-09-04 13:15:39And it has been the case for about ten years in, in, in, in, in the UK and New York, we use closed loop systems, we do not use water, we do not take water from residential communities.
2026-09-04 13:15:39 - 2026-09-04 13:15:52It is simply not true.
2026-09-04 13:15:53 - 2026-09-04 13:15:54Is it true in the US?
2026-09-04 13:15:54 - 2026-09-04 13:15:56Yes, it is, I'm afraid.
2026-09-04 13:15:56 - 2026-09-04 13:15:57But we live in a very, very different regulatory environment.
2026-09-04 13:15:57 - 2026-09-04 13:15:59The idea that AI is going to consume everything is simply, again, not true.
2026-09-04 13:16:00 - 2026-09-04 13:16:04There are going to be very, very few AI data centers in the UK, if any.
2026-09-04 13:16:04 - 2026-09-04 13:16:09And the UK is certainly, and I support the governments, the UK is certainly, not an attractive place to build data centers.
2026-09-04 13:16:09 - 2026-09-04 13:16:16And yet we absolutely need them to to underpin our additional economies and our economic growth.
2026-09-04 13:16:16 - 2026-09-04 13:16:23So how much
2026-09-04 13:16:23 - 2026-09-04 13:16:24Why is there such misconception about the water being used?
2026-09-04 13:16:24 - 2026-09-04 13:16:27Because I mean, we hear, I hear all the time that these things use loads of water,
2026-09-04 13:16:27 - 2026-09-04 13:16:31Again, it's facts from the US where this is true.
2026-09-04 13:16:33 - 2026-09-04 13:16:37In the US, they use a vibratory cooler, which is a cheap and efficient way of cooling.
2026-09-04 13:16:37 - 2026-09-04 13:16:42But unfortunately, it must be superwater.
2026-09-04 13:16:42 - 2026-09-04 13:16:43water.
2026-09-04 13:16:43 - 2026-09-04 13:16:43We simply haven't done that in the UK and northern Europe, but for possibly, possibly two decades, not even one.
2026-09-04 13:16:44 - 2026-09-04 13:16:50And part of the reason for that is we're ready to certainly be lower, because of more bacteria, where people just come to them to mess with standard water.
2026-09-04 13:16:51 - 2026-09-04 13:16:57We've always had a great concern over water.
2026-09-04 13:16:58 - 2026-09-04 13:17:01And again, using water is not necessarily a problem.
2026-09-04 13:17:02 - 2026-09-04 13:17:05It's using potable water from, from you know, supplies that do support for industries and revenues.
2026-09-04 13:17:05 - 2026-09-04 13:17:11Donald, we don't do that.
2026-09-04 13:17:11 - 2026-09-04 13:17:12Donald, back to you.
2026-09-04 13:17:12 - 2026-09-04 13:17:13I'm kind of fascinated by this idea that there aren't facts here.
2026-09-04 13:17:14 - 2026-09-04 13:17:17I mean, on water very briefly, you know, there is, for example, we got this information out of the Environment Agency, Equinix, a big US data center firm, has a license to extract 1000,000m of water a day for a data center site in Slide from the local environment.
2026-09-04 13:17:17 - 2026-09-04 13:17:32So where these are built, if they already want to be stressed, they're very significant.
2026-09-04 13:17:33 - 2026-09-04 13:17:37But it's interesting that Mark doesn't talk.
2026-09-04 13:17:37 - 2026-09-04 13:17:38The power demand of these facilities is huge.
2026-09-04 13:17:40 - 2026-09-04 13:17:42There is an endless list.
2026-09-04 13:17:42 - 2026-09-04 13:17:44No, quite.
2026-09-04 13:17:44 - 2026-09-04 13:17:44So Google, for example, is building a couple outside London.
2026-09-04 13:17:45 - 2026-09-04 13:17:48One of them would use the same electricity demand as around a million homes.
2026-09-04 13:17:48 - 2026-09-04 13:17:52And Google is very keen to push ahead with that.
2026-09-04 13:17:52 - 2026-09-04 13:17:54It has huge resources to do it.
2026-09-04 13:17:54 - 2026-09-04 13:17:56It has huge amounts of money to push it through the process.
2026-09-04 13:17:56 - 2026-09-04 13:17:58So this is this is a real issue.
2026-09-04 13:17:58 - 2026-09-04 13:18:01and I'm astonished at this kind of, oh, don't worry, it probably won't happen.
2026-09-04 13:18:01 - 2026-09-04 13:18:03You know, all of these are in the are in the planning system.
2026-09-04 13:18:03 - 2026-09-04 13:18:06There are planning applications for these sites.
2026-09-04 13:18:06 - 2026-09-04 13:18:08Let Mark respond.
2026-09-04 13:18:08 - 2026-09-04 13:18:09Mark.
2026-09-04 13:18:09 - 2026-09-04 13:18:09There are planning applications.
2026-09-04 13:18:10 - 2026-09-04 13:18:11How do you think we'll actually get through?
2026-09-04 13:18:11 - 2026-09-04 13:18:13One of the reasons that the UK is not attractive is because that has a nature of planning.
2026-09-04 13:18:13 - 2026-09-04 13:18:17These things are happening.
2026-09-04 13:18:17 - 2026-09-04 13:18:18Yes, there are planning applications.
2026-09-04 13:18:18 - 2026-09-04 13:18:20Donald, you mentioned the offline connection queue, the request of connection.
2026-09-04 13:18:21 - 2026-09-04 13:18:25Yes, it's huge.
2026-09-04 13:18:25 - 2026-09-04 13:18:26The reason for that is because it's a connection queue system.
2026-09-04 13:18:27 - 2026-09-04 13:18:29The problem is that we don't know what power is available until we make an application.
2026-09-04 13:18:29 - 2026-09-04 13:18:33So people 14 have a lot of applications.
2026-09-04 13:18:33 - 2026-09-04 13:18:36And both Oscam and NISA recognise that these applications are spurious.
2026-09-04 13:18:36 - 2026-09-04 13:18:39There are problems that are never going to happen.
2026-09-04 13:18:39 - 2026-09-04 13:18:41But the problem is that without putting the application in, you don't know whether you've even got a chance.
2026-09-04 13:18:41 - 2026-09-04 13:18:46So this isn't selfish at all.
2026-09-04 13:18:46 - 2026-09-04 13:18:48And yes, a piece of the time huge denial.
2026-09-04 13:18:48 - 2026-09-04 13:18:50The reality is, that is simply not going to happen.
2026-09-04 13:18:50 - 2026-09-04 13:18:53It's not a problem.
2026-09-04 13:18:53 - 2026-09-04 13:18:54It's not.
2026-09-04 13:18:54 - 2026-09-04 13:18:55So, you know, there's so many fraud arguments, and this is a big frustration for those of us in the industry.
2026-09-04 13:18:55 - 2026-09-04 13:19:00We fill it up water, we try and count some water, fine.
2026-09-04 13:19:01 - 2026-09-04 13:19:04Do these systems use power?
2026-09-04 13:19:05 - 2026-09-04 13:19:06Yes, they do, but so do other industrial processors.
2026-09-04 13:19:06 - 2026-09-04 13:19:09They've sent us to use around 2% of power generated in the UK.
2026-09-04 13:19:09 - 2026-09-04 13:19:14That's a really small amount.
2026-09-04 13:19:14 - 2026-09-04 13:19:15Very brief response from Udald, just to those points that we're overstating the concerns broadly.
2026-09-04 13:19:15 - 2026-09-04 13:19:22I don't really know what to say in response to that, because these these things are being built.
2026-09-04 13:19:23 - 2026-09-04 13:19:27You know, Microsoft has nearly finished one in Acton.
2026-09-04 13:19:27 - 2026-09-04 13:19:30that is very large scale.
2026-09-04 13:19:30 - 2026-09-04 13:19:31Google just opened one last year.
2026-09-04 13:19:31 - 2026-09-04 13:19:33They've got more in the planning system. okay, you can say not all of them will be built.
2026-09-04 13:19:33 - 2026-09-04 13:19:36Even a small fraction of these will come with a very significant paradigm. okay.
2026-09-04 13:19:36 - 2026-09-04 13:19:41And that is something that the government gives you on top of, they need to be gotten positions in place to ensure we don't have the market costs for these.
2026-09-04 13:19:41 - 2026-09-04 13:19:46So give me a number, we've been using UK based bystanders, or just, hey, tell me what
2026-09-04 13:19:47 - 2026-09-04 13:19:53I'm going to give you.
2026-09-04 13:19:53 - 2026-09-04 13:19:54I'm going to give you some Shaka Kart.
2026-09-04 13:19:54 - 2026-09-04 13:19:55Mark Afton, thank you very much, Dole Campbell, thank you to you.
2026-09-04 13:19:56 - 2026-09-04 13:19:59And as always, it's over tour list.
2026-09-04 13:20:00 - 2026-09-04 13:20:01There's 88291 Shaka Kart.
2026-09-04 13:20:01 - 2026-09-04 13:20:04We're gonna change the yummys and we did tonight. 99.
2026-09-04 13:20:08 - 2026-09-04 13:20:11Run away I'm a minute til I couldn't have had I'm waiting for you to come over I am the kind of, the kind of highlight Creature, of the night, creature of the night, good sign of highlight, for a shining bright, for a shining bright light, No, no fajnie.
2026-09-04 13:20:20 - 2026-09-04 13:20:50I've been waiting to get laid on it longer, I know the string that I ain't lighter Creature of the night, creature of the light, Oh, shining black, oh, shining black, ก็ ต้อง เคย ก็ ต้อง เคย.
2026-09-04 13:21:39 - 2026-09-04 13:22:37ولا Reuben's in Wandsworth
2026-09-04 13:22:41 - 2026-09-04 13:23:28I was involved in data center builds across Europe in the early 2000.
2026-09-04 13:23:28 - 2026-09-04 13:23:32They've only got bigger, more power hungry and more ecologically demanding.
2026-09-04 13:23:32 - 2026-09-04 13:23:37Bobby's in Potter's Bar.
2026-09-04 13:23:38 - 2026-09-04 13:23:39There's a data centre being built in Potter's Bar.
2026-09-04 13:23:39 - 2026-09-04 13:23:41It's bigger than Wembley Stadium and on Greenbelt Land.
2026-09-04 13:23:41 - 2026-09-04 13:23:44Hammer's in Wedding.
2026-09-04 13:23:45 - 2026-09-04 13:23:45I'm worried about plans to build a data centre between Wedding and Wokingham.
2026-09-04 13:23:46 - 2026-09-04 13:23:50The southeast of England has been designated an AI growth zone, but this is the most water stressed part of the UK, so how does that make sense?
2026-09-04 13:23:50 - 2026-09-04 13:23:57Diarization Windows
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