I swear to Jackson's about 6.

That's me, year five.

Cause I didn't realise him in Fliss.

Oh, that bits.

A year apart, cause Fliss is just out of year six.

Oh.

But I thought Jackson was way younger.

Yeah.

Mentor, it just seemed a lot.

Yeah, she said year five.

Yeah.

Go, it's time, go.

It was a lorry driver was arrested.

It wasn't on the public road, which is why it can't be a death by dangerous driving charge, so it won't be using a mental auto charge.

But it could become really complex legally.

But if that does, what's happened, Van Weiler's reverse again.

It's not abnormal.

They're going to have legal debates about it in corporate agents because it was in a secure parcel distribution center, not on a public road.

But Van Stott is too strict of a charge.

But the guy was the driver's responsible.

There's a security checkpoint.

They've got to stop when they go in and out.

And they're logging, checking and out.

Yeah.

To the man at a gatehouse.

But there's no barrier.

They've got a procedure.

Every lorry stops, switches its ignition off, and they have to leave 10 meters between each lorry, and the security man comes, checks the back of the trailer, they've got a seal on it, signs it off, the driver signs there, he keeps the log, then they move on, then the next one comes up, he takes it.

So he has to go to the back of the lorry and check that he's got a seal on the door.

Okay.

And then when he gets to the next one, where in the country, they'll check that seal has been intact, and then this seatbelt, so that the noise hasn't been coming from the camera.

And so he was standing behind there, checking the seal, and the driver behind was looking at his phone.

They didn't realise there was a lorry in front.

came down, plowed into the back of the first lorry, and the guy was crushed between the two.

Oh!

Wow!

So it was just a lorry accident basically.

And the driver was being arrested.

It definitely should have been, but it's more like gross negligence, gross negligence, manslaughter is possibly too strict of a charge because it's really just like looking at his phone.

I mean, there's still people's watching drive for 20 hours, given to more in those circumstances, while looking at the phone.

The technical, legal thing is going to be.

They might use it if they're

On private land.

It's not a driving fence.

I can look at my phone.

I can drive around in circles in the yard without me throwing something.

So I'm going to talk on my phone and nobody can do anything.

No, but he's caused the guy's death.

In any case, it's just where what kind of charge and what the sentencing does.

Yeah, I suppose it's

Down to the judgement, is it really?

I know it's down to the law, but after the true justice, so they interpret the law.

And then play before a jury if he denies it to see whether they agree.

He can't even be charged with dangerous driving.

He can't get points for using his phone.

But they might also find there was an adequate safety from the policy of the company, that there's no barrier.

They're just meant to stop and there's gaps, so the security man can check the thing.

But you can't have predicted that.

If there was a barrier, if it wasn't looking, it just got to the enemy.

Yeah,

It would have, because it's something that's a 30 ton Murray or whatever, but 44. that added clip.

signage.

And it can't even be going that fast, it's just actually kept going.

Yeah.

And it would have looked a mess, wouldn't it?

What is that with cheap?

We are.

Oh.

We just need to look beautiful.

Oh, so someone put on Facebook that they always argued they have shunters.

So because the company is big.

Lorry drivers come in and pick up lorries and you're taking this lorry to London or Exeter or Glasgow around.

Yeah.

distribution with our team who aren't even qualified drivers, and they perverse lorries in and out, and then they put them somewhere else when they're ready to go.

The drivers come in and get the keys.

They don't drivers on the balls in the trail or the loading.

And they're always arguing like he's a fair thing.

He wasn't looking at his phone, he was just in his seat.

Because the shunters might have been short, and he was 12, I said.

Yeah.

So I would bring the seat back forward, and he was trying to get his seat back, but I set it up to where he wanted it when he was doing it.

You can't find out everything, you know, there's so many there'd be loads of stuff on Facebook groups and everything where you'd spend all day looking for it.

But now with AI, to find out what we can.

And in five minutes, this keeps coming up with more students.

And there's forums for angry workers, or Facebook groups or whatever, or the depots, they say the same thing happens here.

They drive around, the drivers get in and they're angry because the seats don't like them.

There's something I would have argued with them about.

There's a scratch on them, so it's not like bothering them.

Yes.

And they get hungry and driving them out.

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