five years from now. Then separately, what role, if any, should TLC and Damoon have in distributing

its products? For example, there is a perfectly coherent structure in which a new source import

company owns the brand, contracts, stock, and TLC is merely one wholesale customer distributor.

Other wholesalers could buy from exactly the same company. That protects the potentially

valuable asset from TLC's present liabilities and strategic messages. I suspect that is quite

close to what your father was trying to articulate after the meeting. And there is one psychological

point worth mentioning. Going into today, this sounded like an emergency meeting about trying

to rescue something that might already have disappeared. That isn't what happened. You

walked out with David saying, effectively, give me until Tuesday and I'll bring you the numbers.

The meeting became a commercial restart discussion rather than a post-mortem. So my assessment has

moved quite significantly. I would now regard the pizza sauce business as a credible opportunity

worth developing, not merely something you're desperately trying to salvage. What I would not

yet conclude is that it is necessarily sensible to...

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