He's called Dr. the Reverend Dr. Jeremy Worthen. He used to work in Worthen, Worthen, W-O-R-T-H-E-N. He's got published books. He's famous in the Ecclesiastical Church Society and his previous job was in Westminster.

He was the head of inter-religious relations, kind of, the ambassador for the church to the Muslims, to the Jewish community, to the Catholics, to the Orthodox and everything.

And now he's coming to be a senior. And you know, Radio 4, sometimes in the morning they have the thought of the day.

You know, they have Radio 4. They have the thought for the day.