You know, that's what I mean.

The sad thing is those young people whose lives get ruined,

they fall into it and they get in the gangs and whatnot.

I mean, we're lucky we've got a girl in the way

because you just never know.

It's much less likely for a girl, but still,

there are things to worry about with girls too.

It's different.

OK, I don't know if it's kids or boys.

There's no risk whatsoever of them falling into this stuff.

But it happens in very good families as well.

There's always control in them.

Like, I know Lynn's not from, like, a posh family,

but I don't think she's brought her kids up to be criminals.

Yeah, they've got their grandson who ended up in a camp tonight.

He's 12 years old.

Yeah, but...

Stealing cars and delivering drugs on his bike.

And those are the ones who get the bad news.

It's the area where they live that there are influences that go wrong.

Yeah, I know, but even so, like I said,

these shootings are happening on Abbeydale Road,

not very far, not a mile and a half from here, because...