And you're seeing that, but you can't survive that.

I don't know why you don't see stuff like that.

I mean, I'm serious.

And today I'm taking Anna to the gymnastics.

And when I think to myself,

what am I looking forward to other than the holiday?

Yeah, that's one of the things.

I should be.

I've got a lot to do.

We got short of stuff today as well.

But nonetheless, that's what I'm looking forward to more and more.

Which I didn't used to be worried about taking her to the gymnastics class.

Obviously, your daughter gives you a lot of joy.

And the last time I spoke to you, I think you said she's had some problems.

She's the healthiest of all of us, probably.

Oh, thank you.

She's still here.

Yeah, but what was it in the end?

I can't remember.

She had one of these little things.

I think she had wax.

It was wax.

I don't know.

Maybe it was olive oil in the ear.

Her vision has got worse and worse.

Why?

But might not have because she had a bit of a cold

and she was having mucus coming out of her eye.

So she might have not read the chart very clearly.

If her vision's not great, that's the main thing.

Other than developmental things and social things,

she's a bit shy.

I don't know, Lisa.

I was just thinking, is there anything?

Anything like more structural kind of support in terms of couples therapy

rather than just talking about, you know, like, I know it's called this one,

but, you know, where you have giving the tasks to the couple

or things like that that we can try and, you know, access?

Not on the NHS.

To get that time together to make a plan, you struggle to do.

Because it's very open-ended.

I mean, it's like, you know, that we need to sit down and talk.

We know we need to do that, but it's always a challenge.

Maybe there's a point in that.

That's true, because we do have hours and hours where I go to the computer

and you stay doing shopping on the phone and admin and things,

which needs doing, I know.

And then we're both tired and frustrated,

and that is probably more valuable than what...

a game where we play, where we go through tasks and...

Even, you know, structuring something like that,

like, I don't know, choose the afternoon for an hour,

even if it's remotely,

or, you know, as soon as you've put Anna to bed

before you're both too tired to do anything.

And I think that you probably don't try to talk about the issues that bother you

because you don't want to turn to an argument.

But they're the things that need to be talked about,

otherwise...

They get faster, they get bigger, you know,

and they cause more problems between you as a couple.

Very true.

But I get why you don't do it.

You know, you're tired, you're both working full-time,

you know, doing all sorts of other things at times you have together.

So do your holiday.

I'm sure you won't want to talk about all the difficult things

because that'll spoil the holiday.

So I understand that as well, but...

Necessarily, if we do...

At some point, we need to talk about it.

If we do a holiday in Kochanen, we go,

we go to Skopje for the day and we go for lunch in a walk-around.

Yep.

A nostalgic one.

You can talk.

But I guess it's got to be more of a regular thing when you come back to India.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, sometimes we think we know what the other person's thinking,

but often we don't.

I think for me it's more the confidence that anything will change,

or lack of confidence.

Because we've talked a lot.

It all breaks down to change.

The only change is for me not to have that business anymore.

Yeah.

Okay.

Well, that's a primary change.

Get something, yeah, change that.

I'm actually working towards that.

It obviously doesn't happen straight away.

But actually working towards selling the business.

But I think that is where we've got a fundamental difference

because that's not something I want to do.

At all.

Right, okay.

But you've said that, you see, this is why you're not consistent at all.