I took them off because they weren't getting rid of it all, so I put all of them off, so

you can walk straight across.

And it was that good, the insulation.

And when you walked in the loft, you spent two minutes, you had to come back down.

But what about when you stood in the shower, in the sweat?

I never got in the lofts because of spiders.

Never.

They're like our job then, looking at your screens.

18-year-old screens.

Well, I'm sorry to deny that.

I've got my boys.

That's how I lost them, probably.