Funny thing is, my coat from C&A, the zip clothes is the wrong way around, like a woman's one, but it's not a woman's one, it was from there.

Is that because it's just foreign?

The drag on the other side of the clothes, the zips on the other side.

Because women's ones are coded away, aren't they?

I always do it with the right hand. I mean, it's like, it's just weird.

Yeah, role departments do it.

Yeah, Charlotte doesn't know. Debenhams, you know what Debenhams is?

Yeah.

She knows what Debenhams is, but one day you won't. I mean, people won't, won't, won't, won't, won't.

Debenhams, isn't it?

Yeah, because it belongs, the brand belongs to him, or does the House of Fraser.

Have they still got Debenhams, though, in different cities? It's just Sheffield, isn't it?

No, Debenhams are all gone. There's a massive Debenhams in one.

Oh, it might be House of Fraser, which I am thinking.

No, House of Fraser is gone as well, but it was bought by him, same guy, Mike Ashley, he bought House of Fraser.