Is Schifflin right in a sensible way, finally, instead of extremes on the right and the magnetic pull that it's having against the center?

Does Schifflin have like an element that gets him in there?

There is, but there is a difference. The extreme right was so much against Europe, right?

The expectation, the fear was Meloni is going to take Italy out of Europe or be a thorn in Europe's side,

just like the Prime Minister Orbán of Hungary was, but it's not happened.

The alliance with Europe is complete.

She just wants to make rules for the family, that's it, I understand.

Yeah, but she's doing it through the European mechanism instead of trying to disobey the European mechanism.

That's the surprising part. Now, the more that this happens, and Europe itself...

She did, yeah.

But she can achieve that.

Without leaving the European Union, she can achieve that through negotiating and doing it through the European...